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Ryan Emmons
There were definitely plenty of times where I was not my best self. And I think when things started to really click and I had good operators and a great team that I could rely on, I really got back to what I always had intended. But when it came to starting my own company, which was, you know, my weekends or my family's, even though I will be available for emergencies after six, you know generally like I'm cutting off its six and focusing on myBryan Murphy
family. Aloha. Welcome to Hawaii's best Podcasts learned the stories behind Hawaii's best experiences. Influencers and businesses discover everything that makes Hawaii the Aloha State. And now your host, Brian Murphy. Hello and welcome to Episode 23 of Hawaii's best I'm your host, Bryan. If you just want to say thanks so much for tuning in today, hope you're having a great day. And wherever you're listening to this episode, just want to say thank you so much. Your time is very valuable, and I don't take that for granted, and I just want to say big mahalo for tuning in. Today we're gonna be talking with Ryan Emmons. He's the CEO of Waiakea and I hope you find value in this conversation with Ryan, we could hear more about why I can what they're doing on the Big Island of Hawaii. But before we dive in, I just want to say thanks again for joining me. It mean the world, if you would hit Subscribe Lever rating. The review that helps other people who love Hawaii be able to find this conversation. This podcast. So like I mentioned, Ryan Emmons is the CEO of Why Care You Confined White Kid by simply going to Wyatt kiss springs dot com. That's Waiakea springs dot com and follow them on Instagram at Wyatt Keya they have an epic INSTAGRAM accounts was definitely worth following seeing everything that they're up to and you get to take in Hawaii on a beautiful instagram feed so it won't encourage you to check it out. Give him a follow. But enough of my talking. We're gonna go ahead and jump over and talk story with Ryan Emmons from like it. Hey, Ryan, Thanks so much for hopping on Hawaii's best. How you doing, man?
Ryan Emmons
I'm good. I'm good. Thanks for Ah,
Bryan Murphy
awesome. We'll tell me a little bit about yourself and what you're up to.
Ryan Emmons
Yeah. So, uh, name's Ryan Evans. I'm the CEO of Wyatt Caroline Volcanic Water. Nowadays, we're really just trying to build this company, try to change a lot of industry norms in terms of sourcing, sustainable packaging and carbon neutral logistics. And I got a baby on the way. So that's what I'm dealing with right now. I basically got two babies,
Bryan Murphy
Hossam. And so this is your second?
Ryan Emmons
No, I'm just saying my company's been Oh, I got the really coming. Yeah, Why do in April?
Bryan Murphy
Oh, great, man. Congratulations.
Ryan Emmons
Thank you, brother. Yeah, well, tell us a little
Bryan Murphy
bit about liking where this vision started back in 2012. Yeah.
Ryan Emmons
Yeah, for sure. So, you know, obviously there are a lot of lot of companies out there. I don't think the world needs another bottled water company. You know, there's that's really not what our goal with our goal was really did change the environmental industry norms and not just a lot of water, but really, of like, the greater fat, rich and consumer packaged goods industries and that includes, like, food products, anything that's basically packaged. And for us, that meant first and foremost, packaging is a huge issue. Do so you know, we were the first to use 1% up cycle packaging or about to launch some really cool innovation involving basically have the first end of life. Simple carbon wax bottle that will basically degraded ends up in the ocean, but it's still recyclable, so we're super excited about that. And then we're also working on symbology packaging. Everyone thinks the glass and aluminum is sustainable. The reality is it's not especially for what it takes in terms of energy to get it out to white. So we're actually working on the 1st 100% recycled. So basically our aluminum bottles will be made will be super super durable, so you can use it them at least four times. Which then is basically that's what you need in order to reduce the carbon footprint, and then our glass will be the first glass that's 100% from cool it and call. It is basically the glass bottles that you recycle. Then they're all basically ground up, and some of that is used for to make new glass. But Usually it's a very low percentage. So we're working on the 1st 100% Call it basically 100% post recycled quest bottle. And then Yeah, Well, next year we'll have about 30% of all our logistics will be on electric fleets in Hawaii. So we're super excited. Yeah. Gonna continue to push forward with a lot of the environmental in innovation in the hope that a lot of these other brands on food and beverage realize that this is what consumers want.
Bryan Murphy
Write it. I mean, in just seven short years, that's a lot. That's awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Obviously there was a vision prior to toe launching like a a. And what kind of lead you to some of that?
Ryan Emmons
I mean, to be honest, we did years of feasibility. You know, another huge thing is, you know, there's so much girls in the premium water industry and in water in general and in peppers in general. But we did years to see where the consumer backlash was and you know, ultimately how we were gonna feel good as a company moving forward. And so, you know, we just lost, like, our cocoa initiative earlier this year where we actually pay all of our employees their hourly wages, toe volunteer eight hours a month. That's 25 people in Hawaii, so we're pretty stoked on that. But I think it was always, you know, how do we do things in this industry differently so that, like, our employees could be engaged and we could be stuck about what we d'oh on at the same time? You know, really, At the beginning, we didn't necessarily know how that was gonna come together, but we had no idea. We spent, you know, three years developing the brand and really looking at a lot of trends and, uh, looking a lot of different packaging innovation. And we just realized that no one was really doing anything to address a lot of the kind of societal changes that were happening when it comes to consumer packaged products. So that was kind of our opportunity. And that's that's why we kind of wanted to tackle a very, you know, definitely a new industry with controversy. Um, but one that, you know, ultimately, we thought it was just right for change.
Bryan Murphy
Something you mentioned earlier up cycle recycling. I'm just curious what that is a little bit.
Ryan Emmons
Yeah, for sure. So So, basically ah, lot of bottled water. Most actually not even bought a water. Let's talk about all basic all packaging. Okay. To a large extent, most of our packaging comes from virgin materials. So materials that have been created and it's their first use versus if we are able to use 100% a post recycled materials. So basically materials that people have collected on and they've been they have to be cleaned for a food grade product s. So there's not a lot of cleaning facilities that could do that kind of stuff with with, like, post recycled materials. But what that means is, you know you typically depending on the industry, can have you know anywhere between the 70 to 95% smaller carbon footprint, smaller water footprint, smaller energy footprint if you are reusing materials. And so as much as people are trying to come up with compostable and biodegradable bottles, you know the reality is that's a that's a much bigger harm because of what those derived from, whether it's a corn sugarcane, et cetera that you know, mano crops that have taken a lot of deforestation in order to produce them versus just using the existing materials that are already there. Ah, and giving them another another life. And so that's what we do with our bottles. And eventually they'll be. Actually, we're setting up collection centers all over the Pacific Philippines. Indonesia, Um, Hawaii, obviously. And we will be actually collecting ocean bound plastic from waterways, beaches, et cetera. And that's actually how we, uh, we put that together clean. We have, ah, really uniquely facility. And that's what is ultimately going into our bottle sort preventing basically materials from going in the ocean. So we're pretty stuck.
Bryan Murphy
Yeah, that is awesome to be stoked about. You know, I was looking on your guys website, and, um, I'm just gonna read just kind of what you guys is listed as. Your goal says our goal was to create a transformation within the bottled water, beverage and greater CPG industry moving away from similar profit and towards a triple bottom line model that emphasizes people in planet. I was wondering if maybe you could speak into what is meant by moving away from Cingular profit and towards triple bottom line model.
Ryan Emmons
Yeah, for sure. So we're in the process of being certified. Be court. It's a benefit corporation where it's not just about sure. Well, there's it's phallic stakeholders which people and involves your employees, your customers. Ah, your suppliers, you know. And Cheryl it's But it's everyone and including Mother Nature, you know, I know for us. You know, I was heavily involved in clean water projects before this and NGOs and my mom's somewhat of an environmentalist. And, you know, it was super important that whatever company I launched, I had similar goals. And, you know, there's just especially the industry that I'm in. It's really dominated by a lot of these players, for it's all about the bottom line and a lot of the investments that we make in our local communities on the Big Island. And he low or ah, in our clean water projects on both in the low and Throw Hawaii and also abroad, specifically in Malawi Africa. People would look at what we're spending on these projects versus, you know, the zero profit that we've had because we've been growing so fast, they tell us that you're crazy. What we tell them that it was the right thing to do and that we was a really important stepping stone for us and that we wanted to continue to have that in our in our core fabric and that ultimately is by we've had such good retention with learn boys do so it ultimately it Pete, it's its dividends. And you know that will end up in the bottom line, obviously, but will help us, you know, be more self sustaining as being as we go. It also just makes you feel good about going to work after day, she said. I'm just thinking that, you know, why am I here? I just a cog in a machine that's just making these other people money versus, like, wow, like we're building something amazing together and I like And actually I was in my community.
Bryan Murphy
I love that man. And at least what I'm hearing is it was kind of an uphill battle. Maybe somebody somebody's still is to run the business, how you envision and what kind of kept you focused and driven. What then and what keeps you focused and driven now?
Ryan Emmons
E. Genocide really a couple of different things that really have allowed us to stay focused as an organization. So there's a couple different things that'll bring up that we identified. And they're all over our offices in Hawaii there, all over our planet. They're all for our officers on on me in learned, you know, that's our brand promises. And so, you know, our brand front offices are. We promised that every product you buy from us will be national healthy. We promised everybody goodbye for us to be sustainable source and packages on shift and then last the every product you buy from us for every product that you bought from us basically contribute to look well on global, not profits on initiatives and clean water conservation and education. And there's a bit there, three milestones where if they don't fit and that kind of bread, we aren't gonna be focusing on this products that was coupled with you know, you kind of mentioned our purpose in a different world in different words. But you know, it's really to create a transformation within the bottled water of beverage in better CPG industry and again moving away from that super online to a triple bottom line. And then we also laid out our big, hairy, audacious balls really early get seven years ago. And that for us was to be non globally as really being virus heck, leader in Beverage and CPG. So we wanted to create an entirely false off go free products and supply chain, ultimately by 2024. And that was you would do that for through a variety of different ways. You know, 100% electric pleats, 100% renewable energy plan, 100%. It's also feel free packaging with end of life option. And we're like, well, on our way with a lot of these things. But, you know, I think I was really lucky. You know, we find you in some of those. Obviously, generally we had the big, hairy, audacious goal from the get go. We had the brain promises from the get go. And, you know, I think that really allowed us to focus for a lot of other brands were focused on like, Hey, let's focus on this flavor or let's do sparkly or all that other stuff. Like we were spending a lot of time and money on FDA trials for new packaging innovation that would be shelf stable and would be good for consumers. And you know, those things haven't are finally going to launch over the next two years, but because everything else that we did centered around those things, I I honestly think it just allowed us to not get distracted by a lot of the easy money makers that maybe we're on the side and really just focus in on Hey, let's just do what we d'oh obviously, on a sin, a sales perspectives, our sales strategy has changed. We don't know what we're doing it first. Just trying to get sales and you get the product out there. You know, we grew in natural and and we grew a whole foods That was big focus for us. And then we realized really small channel. And it was a really difficult channel where a lot of these bigger brands were just spending a lot of money because it was just more of, like, aesthetics for them versus like, you know what? You're trying to survive. And so we just couldn't compete with all three sources that they were throwing at those channels. So we obviously had to pivot and find other channels for us. We found you know our own e commerce, other bands, that Amazon. We wanted to really take the customer experience into our own hands and where they grow that out of the guy we did, because it's our most profitable channel. But then again, I mean Tom's tons of iterations on the way. You're very lucky that no, no huge fits because we really always had a way. Always have the goal in mind.
Bryan Murphy
And on your way is you guys were growing throughout the years to your you mentioned you're given back to two nonprofits and maybe speaking Thai little bit. What are some of those nonprofits collectively, as a company that you guys were really excited about,
Ryan Emmons
the f, for sure. So, um, so we've done a lot of work with Kiki steps, which is like v k education, you know, mainly obviously, most of our work is on the Big Island a little bit elsewhere, and also the higher education initiative, which does something okay, but they also do a lot of like cultural programs funded appliance. We do like I mentioned earlier. We do a lot of volunteering all of our 25 employees they're literally taking, you know, basic B. We send them for a day and we give them the regular. I really rate going volunteer, and we basically Yeah, that's ah, the wide range of different activities. So, like we've want youto like but that by sack over on the Big Island, which is the the nonprofit basically dealing with alcohol and drug abuse And then, you know, the adjusted Ah, an invasive species project about the month before that where we basically know we're around Volcano National Park and a monologue Monica just thes really key areas kind of removing all these different species on then We also just did, ah, away basically a program where we're trying to clean Houellebecq and we're you know, how things from local farmers that are trying to basically develop clams and mussels and kind of start farming practices that ultimately gonna start feeling filtering the water s o. We had all of our team out there last month. So again, it basically it totally changes every month. The whole idea is that, like, we want our community to come to us and so basically, you know, find some project will weaken, dedicate a lot of resource is on time and potentially money towards
Bryan Murphy
right. You mention your mom is a big influence on you. But I'm also curious to maybe on some, like influencers in your life leadership and as your leading this company. Who are some of those guys? And what are some of those influences that you look up to?
Ryan Emmons
Yeah, for sure, I would say, if you have good parents and I've been blessed to have a good chance that you definitely always have to put your parents up there. I've been lucky that by fencing, people takes and pretty big cheeses on me over the years, other than my parents that have been amazing partners, whether it's, you know, some of our suppliers. That's a lot of my my employees that have, you know, most of my place there are older than me. So a lot of ways. But I think for me the way that my family has not just my mom, my dad, but uh like like my cousin Alex was one of my pill founders. So all my cousins on my mom's side are basically half native land. I'm like, I'm like you wish. I'll leave and you know the way that they've just always been so supportive and helpful. And, you know, my cousin also is launching his business after he helped me launch y two k. He's basically been, like, right there with me, you know, exchanging horror stories and way. But seven years in, Did you know there's just so many people that have helped me A different points was really lucky at a lot of mentors from different companies that have kind of been on a similar growth path is B. Um, I don't know if you ever heard of, like, Ruin a t Luna, but it's, ah, now that I have to be there by Dr Pepper Snapple. But the founder could not I Dan, you Heath toe funded it with this guy Tyler. And, uh, he was on my first met tourists and like, he was incredible because he just allowed me to avoid somebody that pitfalls. And he also lost his company, you know, 22 I would not, you know, I'm very lucky, and my family and I, we still, you know, have the majority of the company. And if I didn't have him, you know, I think it would be a very different situation. Um, and so, yeah, I mean so many different people that just how it is,
Bryan Murphy
That's great, man. How do you and I use the word balance? Because I don't know if there's necessarily Everything can be all in balance that once, but it's I think it really comes down to values and priorities. But how do you stay true to your values, your priorities, whatever those might be in keeping family because it sounds like family super important to you. So how do you keep family first and how do you personally unwind? And from the business of running this company
Ryan Emmons
for sure? So I think the first, like, honestly, four years, just pretty hectic. I mean, there were definitely plenty of times where I was not my best self, and I think when things started to really click and I had good operators and a great team that I could rely on, I really got back to what I always had intended when it came to starting my own company, which was, you know, my weekends or my family's, even though I will be available for emergencies after six, you know, generally like I'm cutting off its six and focusing on my family. But I would say I was never that guy. That was, you know, may accept, with the exception of the 1st 2 years okay, way you definitely are
Bryan Murphy
worried is running hard, right?
Ryan Emmons
Yeah, you're running so hard. But you also know that it's not sustainable. You know, if we if we don't have better processing place, better people, there's no way I can keep this up. I'm literally gonna kill myself. Um, but like in the back of my head, you know what's nice is like, I was still making the time, like, talk to family. I was still vulnerable to family. And I don't think if I had the open relationship where I was like telling them about all my struggles and on my strife, I really think I would have just been a mess. And I don't think the company was survived having that close relationship and feeling like, Hey, I'm not, You know, my pride aside, I'm just gonna be rial because it's my family, and I'm gonna tell them what I'm feeling. I'm gonna tell them my struggles. They help me figure out solutions, and they just you know they were there for me to tell me that. Like, hey, if things weren't gonna work out, they still love me and, you know, ultimately, like, things would be okay. I might be bankrupt. Uh, have to live on a college for a while, but right. Yeah. I mean, without life, man, you would just be internalizing everything I think such a nightmare. But a lot of people again, they just I think I'm lucky that I had the type of relationship with my cousins and my and my parents, My, my aunties, my uncles and where, like, it was like that. I know a lot of people don't have that. And, you know, I just encourage those people, though, you know, just work on themselves and get to the point where they feel like they can share their flaws and the things that they're working on.
Bryan Murphy
That's huge, man, because having this goal having this vision, I mean, there's one or two options, right? It's either like you go for it or you live with regret. And, like, I didn't even try. So keeping your family along in the journey and keeping them close by and that love and support that you have and had in those early years. It's really cool to see the fruit of that today
Ryan Emmons
did totally. And they're also so stoked to like because they know because then they know all the right that you went through. And they were better, right? You know, they were when you were fencing to them in, right? I had a couple of moments early on, would like Yemen. I was straight up overwhelmed, you know, maybe even a tear or two. That's all I'm gonna say on, you know, I was gonna do. I got 14 credit cards and wait, it's and we talk about it to this day, and, you know, I just s o get stories for the rest of my life, but it's also like we went through that, and I honestly feel like we went through it together. So very, very lucky. Very blessed.
Bryan Murphy
Yeah, you're stronger for And it's who you are because of that. That's awesome, man. For sure. Ryan is all this coming to Hawaii? Maybe for the first time, or coming back on vacation. What advice would you give someone coming for a visit? Maybe so, medicate. Maybe some things to do, things not to do.
Ryan Emmons
But don't be taking a lover Rock, that's for sure. Right? You will be cursed for the rest of your life. So obviously want encourage you to, uh, you know, be here and experience what koi has to offer. But please, please don't do that, whatever you do, but yeah, I mean, to be honest. Dude, I Honestly, I just think you need to make friends with locals. Um, that's your first thing, you know, strike up a conversation with someone. Me, some people, when you're when you're out and like, Bill, tell you some things and we'll tell you places to go that you'll just never have that experience. There's so many different sites where you can look at, like things to do in Hawaii on each island. And just that they're never going to compare toe, actually being able to experience those things that someone that's local is, you know,
Bryan Murphy
so true. Yeah,
Ryan Emmons
didn't throw so but it depends on what island you're. So, you know, on the Big Island, unfortunately, there's ever a lot of people were wanting to see the lava, and we don't can The national Park is still pretty crazy because you yeah, and still see it's so chilling. See the lava. But there's not gonna be any lava bombs blowing up in your face anymore, but it's probably for the best. But But you know what's amazing? Other big islands. You have so many different climates, like literally driving through, driving like Saddle Road all the way over. I definitely recommend, like road tripping up up Thea comical Coast and check out all the waterfalls. Do you have a chance? Check out some of the some of the kid lava caves. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of stuff that I don't really want. Oh, it's it's kind of like
Bryan Murphy
for sure, you know, if I feel you,
Ryan Emmons
you know, But it's Ah, and then there's, you know, what's awesome to is that there there's not as many spots is, you know, the other islands. But we definitely do have, like our fresh air like small surf spots that aren't gonna necessarily be is crowded instant lineups that a lot of other places are. So I think that's what's awesome about the big
Bryan Murphy
Yeah, in general, maybe expanding on that a little bit in general What do you love most about Hawaii?
Ryan Emmons
You know, I would say this is a culture and the history there. I think there's like this to this Are, uh, you know, the way we call it like manna. This, like ethereal power and just kind of magic. But a lot of people feel when they come here, my wife's family, I mean, they're from New Hampshire, and the first time they came with, you know, I was bring in. My wife's name is Grace. She was in Hawaii with me all the time and finally got them to come out pretty quickly, didn't think. And they were like they didn't like what we feel like we're We feel different, like, what is this? We feel like, you know, And I think it's a culmination off all the elements and the wind, rain and the, you know, the temperature in the water and everything. And I think it's just being open to just experiencing and loving nature and take a step back and just breathing. I think that's what Hawaii has offer is just like there's just a bountiful amount of energy and love. If you find the right people and if you're able to go on experience the right things. I know that was kind of long winded, but
Bryan Murphy
no, there's so much truth there in each time. I know I step off the plane in that first breath in, and it's like, Oh, man, you can't put in the
Ryan Emmons
woods. That sweet air, man. I'm like a turbine in the face of sure definitely has happened. And you're like, Oh, yeah.
Bryan Murphy
Um, what does the future look like for you? What are you looking forward to next
Ryan Emmons
for me? I'm obviously really looking forward to my baby. I don't know what, but once That's what sex it is. Yeah. So we're actually trying to go old school
Bryan Murphy
going away. We did that with a couple of our
Ryan Emmons
I'm excited and gender reveals and you know, I to each his own butt. I kind of want to do it old school. More surprising
Bryan Murphy
moment, man. Worth it.
Ryan Emmons
And I know there's a guy as a dad. I'm not gonna be able to really, for the first, like, six months. Just make sure that my wife is, like, you know, rational and like happy. So, you know, that'll be my focus But I mean, to be honest, we have just so many different initiatives that the company that are kind of all coming to fruition here in the next 180 days that have been literally the, like, four years of work in the main. And so all of these things are finally coming together. And then I got to start finding some other initiatives, will work on this, right? It is my life. And so I'm working on these specific ones. So, you know, there's I think I'm just really excited to see my team consumed with Dr excited to finally, like, we have a lot of different gentle processes that are finally gonna be coming into place that, you know, we've been a lot of We've invested a lot of money in this kind of technology, and we did it early on, and I'm excited to see those kind of paint. If it ends in terms of allowing us to be a little more nimble, a lot of companies and, uh, in Yemen and just seeing my team into you thrive and yeah, just like I'm excited, just be there for them and have them feel supported. And you know, Throw this thing with them.
Bryan Murphy
I love that man I get is here your your heart for your team, your your love for your team and that leadership in you I mean, that that goes a long way and leading the healthy organization. So we had a way to keep I know there's There's times when it sucks and it's tough and you don't know up from down but way to keep focused, man.
Ryan Emmons
Thanks to appreciate about.
Bryan Murphy
Yeah. So working people find more about why, Yeah.
Ryan Emmons
Yeah. So, um, check this out. Why? I guess spring's dot com You can also check us on instagram it. Just wake up. W ay, ay ay, ay, ay Some people forget that second, uh, you can find us a whole feuds. Got store locator online order We don't conveniently right to your door if you want. You want to check out a lot of projects that were doing lovely. Check out our blogged. Be up. Did you know of a few weeks with a new upcoming project? Stuff like that? So you got ideas, rejected things we should volunteer four or, you know, potentially investing. Help people out. Find out. Set us up and Yeah, please buy nothing. You know, we'll go from that
Bryan Murphy
a link. All that stuff in the show notes also on the block as well. So you guys can look for that. Well, Ryan, thank you so much for your time today, man. And I just appreciate you and I appreciate what you guys are doing
Ryan Emmons
for sure. Hey, thanks so much. I really appreciate it.
Bryan Murphy
I really enjoyed my conversation with Ryan, you know, and just that kind of be upfront with you. We record these interviews a couple of months prior to releasing, and I was just recently going back to this conversation and editing, and it was cool to dive back into the conversation and hear more about Ryan's journey and his journey specifically with y que. But we talked a lot about more than just the company and the product that they offer. We talked a lot about leadership, which is a huge heartbeat of mine, but we also talked family and we talked entrepreneurship, and it was cool to be able to connect and talk about big, audacious goals that he has. And then I have and how I'm sure that you have especially being early January at the time of this recording, and we're looking at 2020 were excited and we're stoked about the potential of this year and the potential of accomplishing those goals. But more than that, we talked a little bit about balance and balance is kind of this tricky thing, and I don't think we ever really have full true balance. But it's about setting those priorities, and it's about setting what really in truly matters to you, those values in your life, those air individual value. So what you value is, and maybe something different than I value. But what's important is knowing what our values and our priorities are and then going after our big goals, and that's where we find purpose. That's where we find fulfillment. So, Moore said, than the company that we're talking about, which is amazing company, and they're doing amazing things at the core of it. It's really about living a life of purpose that really comes across in Ryan and how he and his family are so tightly nip and they do a life together, and that is a great model of not only just doing business and accomplishing big goals. But that's a great model of doing. Life is including your family in all aspects of your life and having someone Maybe it's not your family, but having someone having a group of people that you can go to intimately who know all your stuff right? Someone that you can be vulnerable and honest with that does something for the soul that you can't put in words. Well, I just want to say thank you again to Ryan for coming on the podcast and for his time, and I hope that this conversation he found value in it. And if you did, please leave a rating. Let me know we love to hear from you. So until next time, be well below Thanks for listening to Hawaii's best podcasts. Stay up to date on future episodes. Be sure to hit the subscribe button and find us at live. Hawaii's best dot comSign up to receive email updates
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